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		<title>By: Welcome to my world&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the death of cyberspace: some rambling thoughts on Vinge and Gibson</title>
		<link>http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/archives/64/comment-page-1#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Welcome to my world&#8230; &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On the death of cyberspace: some rambling thoughts on Vinge and Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 22:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Linkyland &#171; Torque Control</title>
		<link>http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/archives/64/comment-page-1#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkyland &#171; Torque Control</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 10:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scott says sf cinema is dead; Martin McGrath disagrees and links to further [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SCG</title>
		<link>http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/archives/64/comment-page-1#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>SCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 13:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I&#039;ve not a fraction of your knowledge of film history, I know enough to say I agree with you on this one. Particularly as a younger fan, watching older movies without the benefit of nostalgia, I have to say that a lot of the slavish devotion older SF movies get is unwarranted. Not that they&#039;re bad, but they&#039;re not amazing(!!!11!1!)

I&#039;ve a few Westerns but not many - mostly the more predictable titles. The only thing approaching a Western that really captured my imagination was the absolutely brilliant Deadwood.

And ahh... no sums! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I&#8217;ve not a fraction of your knowledge of film history, I know enough to say I agree with you on this one. Particularly as a younger fan, watching older movies without the benefit of nostalgia, I have to say that a lot of the slavish devotion older SF movies get is unwarranted. Not that they&#8217;re bad, but they&#8217;re not amazing(!!!11!1!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a few Westerns but not many &#8211; mostly the more predictable titles. The only thing approaching a Western that really captured my imagination was the absolutely brilliant Deadwood.</p>
<p>And ahh&#8230; no sums! <img src='http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Martin McGrath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh and in case anyone else is interested (hey I can&#039;t be the only guy in the world with an extensive collection of sf movies AND westerns, can I?) - I forgot to mention that The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is another, high profile, western coming soon (there&#039;s no UK release date, but we should get it before Christmas).
Although I noticed a UK advert had dropped the word &quot;Coward&quot; from the title - which seems wrong, after all Bobby did shoot Jesse in the back, and what&#039;s he going to do, sue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and in case anyone else is interested (hey I can&#8217;t be the only guy in the world with an extensive collection of sf movies AND westerns, can I?) &#8211; I forgot to mention that The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford is another, high profile, western coming soon (there&#8217;s no UK release date, but we should get it before Christmas).<br />
Although I noticed a UK advert had dropped the word &#8220;Coward&#8221; from the title &#8211; which seems wrong, after all Bobby did shoot Jesse in the back, and what&#8217;s he going to do, sue?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin McGrath</title>
		<link>http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/archives/64/comment-page-1#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin McGrath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve turned off the maths test - let&#039;s see whether I get blitzed to death by spam again...

I wonder, sometimes, at the rose-tinted spectacles that people view the past of sf cinema thorugh. Almost all the films that people now regard as classics struggled through the studio system. There might have been a brief period from the late 60s to mid 70s when films like Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green and Rollerball could get made without too much interference despite large budgets, when Hollywood fell in love with the idea of the &quot;auteur&quot; but it was an aberration in the overall pattern, and it isn&#039;t as if every great movie that emerged from that period didn&#039;t have its own Zardoz or Beware! The Blob. And sci-fi had its own blossoming in the late 70s and early 80s because Star Wars was making so much money and everybody wanted a slice of the action - but like any fad, that was always going end.

The truth is most &quot;blockbusters&quot; are necessarily compromised because to put the kind of deal together to make something that huge, the creative people involved have to cede control to accountants. That&#039;s neither, necessarily, good or bad, it just is.

I can enjoy Transformers on a variety of levels - admiring the construction, the technique and the skill involved in making things real - while conceding that it&#039;s not a particularly good film. But to say that the failure of that movie (or others like it) to be particularly good (as sf, as &quot;art&quot;) means that sf cinema is dead is just wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve turned off the maths test &#8211; let&#8217;s see whether I get blitzed to death by spam again&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder, sometimes, at the rose-tinted spectacles that people view the past of sf cinema thorugh. Almost all the films that people now regard as classics struggled through the studio system. There might have been a brief period from the late 60s to mid 70s when films like Planet of the Apes, Soylent Green and Rollerball could get made without too much interference despite large budgets, when Hollywood fell in love with the idea of the &#8220;auteur&#8221; but it was an aberration in the overall pattern, and it isn&#8217;t as if every great movie that emerged from that period didn&#8217;t have its own Zardoz or Beware! The Blob. And sci-fi had its own blossoming in the late 70s and early 80s because Star Wars was making so much money and everybody wanted a slice of the action &#8211; but like any fad, that was always going end.</p>
<p>The truth is most &#8220;blockbusters&#8221; are necessarily compromised because to put the kind of deal together to make something that huge, the creative people involved have to cede control to accountants. That&#8217;s neither, necessarily, good or bad, it just is.</p>
<p>I can enjoy Transformers on a variety of levels &#8211; admiring the construction, the technique and the skill involved in making things real &#8211; while conceding that it&#8217;s not a particularly good film. But to say that the failure of that movie (or others like it) to be particularly good (as sf, as &#8220;art&#8221;) means that sf cinema is dead is just wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: SCG</title>
		<link>http://www.mmcgrath.co.uk/archives/64/comment-page-1#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>SCG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 16:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish your blog didn&#039;t eat my comments because my arithmetic is better than its own (or is it just because I have a page open for too long, and should refresh before commenting?).

There was a similar discussion on TTA Interaction a few months back, about the death of SF cinema, which I thought an even more outrageous claim than Scott&#039;s...

http://www.ttapress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=203</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish your blog didn&#8217;t eat my comments because my arithmetic is better than its own (or is it just because I have a page open for too long, and should refresh before commenting?).</p>
<p>There was a similar discussion on TTA Interaction a few months back, about the death of SF cinema, which I thought an even more outrageous claim than Scott&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ttapress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=203" rel="nofollow">http://www.ttapress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=203</a></p>
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